Creating Meaning: Ritual & Ceremony
House Of Peregrine (00:00)
As entrepreneurs living internationally, sometimes the journey of creating something from nothing and before anyone else thinks it can exist can feel lonely and disconnected. So today I want to bring you a story that is both beautiful as well as inspiring. It is a story about bringing something new to the already saturated baby gift industry that is both beautiful, spiritual and full of life. Can't wait to share this episode with you. Give it a listen.
House Of Peregrine (00:58)
Hello everyone and welcome back to the House of Peregrine podcast. I'm Mickelle Weber and today I'm sitting down with Andrea Jansen the Amsterdam based designer and creative force between Kama by Andrea, handcrafted modern sacred garments for coming home to yourself. Right felt trained with a masters in fashion design a strategy. Andrea spent years in art direction, product design and styling before leaving to create her unique offering. In 2020, she founded Kama.
where creativity, spirituality, and love meet in objects of comfort and meaning, a symbol to welcome and celebrate life. Andrea, welcome to the show. I'm really happy to welcome you today. It's been a minute since we spoke first and I've been following your journey. So I'm really happy to talk to you today.
Andrea (01:41)
Thank you. Happy to be here.
House Of Peregrine (01:44)
Right. want to start. I saw what I want to say is when I when people move abroad or when people start a new chapter, whether that's having a baby or moving house, I always love to encourage them to look at what they're buying and what they're bringing into their world and really see it as a keepsake. And what you're doing with Kama is really, really that I think that that's taken to the next level.
Andrea (02:08)
Mm-hmm.
House Of Peregrine (02:14)
So with your objects, your blankets, these beautiful things you're making, what I want to ask first is why Kama? What does Kama mean?
Andrea (02:27)
Yeah, Kama is the name and comes from Kamadeva. Kamadeva is the cupido ⁓ in India. So the one who shoots the bow and arrow and then you fall in love. Yeah, cupid, And a mythical figure. And yeah, I found it...
House Of Peregrine (02:40)
yeah, like Cupid, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrea (02:49)
a good idea to integrate this mythical figure with my former product name because I had a deep connection with India and also with the handcraft they do there. And my first product is also ⁓ produced there. And so I thought, yeah, it was just resonates with me very deeply. And I thought, okay, it's not Kamadeva because that's too long. And I found ⁓
phonetic also very interesting so the letters behind each other and First it was Kama, but then I thought okay It must be a little bit more personal because it's also me so I add my name so Kama by Andrea and it comes from Kamadeva and that's a mythical figure from for cupido What I said in India Cupid you say Cupid Cupid Cupid, okay
House Of Peregrine (03:42)
I say Cupid, that's I
understood
Andrea (03:46)
Yeah,
so the one who shoots the bow, who shoots the arrow and then you fall in love and then the whole magic happens.
House Of Peregrine (03:50)
The rest is history. And so
when you, wanna start from a little bit back. So your blankets are beautiful. I want people to see them. We'll have them featured. You'll be able to see pictures of them. But I wanna start back with what led you to this process of creating your own brand, your own product.
Andrea (04:02)
Hmm?
Yeah, yeah,
yeah. This interview also forced me to think about my whole process and where I come from. ⁓ yeah, and now looking back, you see I always walked on this path. Sometimes when you are in your lifetime, you think, my God, what I'm doing and...
what I'm doing here on this point, this time, in this moment and why I'm working for this company and I don't like to work for a boss and yeah, sometimes, you don't, you just don't understand, but you feel okay, this is what I have to do.
looking back, when I was a child, I always worked with my hands and my mother also, so I saw it from her, I learned it from her. She was lace making and embroidery and making all the clothes for me and my sister. And she was always busy with handcraft, always. So it's really like, yeah, my DNA. And
House Of Peregrine (05:30)
And where did you grow
Andrea (05:31)
I grew up in a very small town nearby Arnhem in the Netherlands. And I lived there since I was... since my 19th. And when I was 19, I went to Arnhem, the city. I lived there for one or two years and then I moved to Amsterdam for my education. So yeah, it was in my DNA, this handcraft, and I worked for several companies.
after I studied at the art academy fashion design and ⁓ after my so I worked for several companies but there were always
was Jules and it was Lourjere, but they both have to do with children. So
we developed products for textile for the children and for Jules, we developed strollers. So children and babies were always surrounded me ⁓ in my... ⁓
career.
so I learned a lot about ⁓ children and babies and safety and ⁓ working together with engineers to make the strollers. And yeah, it was a quite interesting journey. And but yeah, at the end, after 10 years worked for these companies and I did also a lot of other stuff and things and work for the TV and styling and commercial.
And yeah, once the time came, okay, I felt that I would work more from my heart and more with, deeply meaning. yeah, I can only say it was a deeper call. It was a calling. And like, okay, I have to switch.
And with all the knowledge I had, of course, and with all the contacts, I thought, okay, I have to move to another direction, embrace all that I already learned.
House Of Peregrine (07:45)
Yeah. And so you did a lot of, it sounds like you did a lot of different things, but always honing your craft and your vision started to come from within of something that transcends what's on the market right now or what's on offer for, it started out as baby blankets, right? Is that kind of the first idea? Yeah.
Andrea (07:50)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah,
yeah, it was for me it was I made a lot of design a lot of products for children like strollers and and ⁓ wrapping blankets and cuddles and normal blankets but I always thought okay this is nice but what brings it yeah of course it brings warmth and
But ⁓ I was missing the emotional touch in it. A deeper spiritual, maybe use the layer. But it has always to do with new life, what I did. It will always do with newborns and babies and little children. So I thought, okay...
I'm going to try to make a product that integrates also the more deeper layers where I what I needed. What I would I would like to add. So, looking back, I thought, OK, what I would like to make something around new life, birth and ⁓ treasure that and holding that.
and embrace that and seeing the divine of it and the beauty of it but also the struggle and the fear and what's coming and how to handle and so I developed a product and it's called the birth blanket and it has to do
to honor the new life and to wrap it, you can put your baby in and wrap it in and feeding that it's and loving and caring, but also has to do with this transition for the baby who's coming to this earth in this physical body. And because yeah, I believe it's a soul who is coming into a physical body and it is also he or she choose that.
and yeah to help or her with this transition
House Of Peregrine (10:15)
so there's two things, like you wrap them, the blankets come with ⁓ the horoscope. So Libra, Aries.
Andrea (10:17)
Hmm.
two. The first I had my product is the bird blanket. It was my first product. And it's with I brought it with a a holy bird. And my next collection is the star And that's a bird cape, so you can put it on like a bath cape.
House Of Peregrine (10:39)
okay.
Andrea (10:45)
and it has a hoodie and the birth blanket doesn't have a hoodie it's a square but it's much bigger it's 120 by 120 and this is ⁓ hanging here this is the Leo because it's my star sign it's the birth cape so it has also a hoodie and you see it here
House Of Peregrine (11:06)
yeah, it's beautiful.
Andrea (11:07)
And you can use it as a on as a wall they go, but it's also for yeah wrap your baby in
House Of Peregrine (11:14)
and they're beautiful. For those watching, can see ⁓ examples of her work behind. But the reason that touches me the most is you're wanting this experience of, sure, let's say, you could say spirituality, you could say more meaning, deeper meaning, you could say you want a little bit of soul in there. But what did you see? You worked with products for children and babies.
for a long time, did you see that it was or maybe not representative of the magic that is actually happening?
Andrea (11:41)
Yeah,
No, they have a totally different starting point.
totally different and there's nothing bad good about it, it's totally different.
House Of Peregrine (11:58)
And what would that starting point be?
Andrea (12:00)
to be honest, the most company I work for is to the focuses on money. And there's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with it, but it's not my starting point. Even if I don't make money with it,
House Of Peregrine (12:10)
Yeah, nothing wrong with that. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrea (12:19)
It's just a deeper feeling or deeper need that I have to do this. I can't not do it. It's Yeah, so there was no way to say no. It was just... I had to take this direction. And yeah, you can say, okay, it's sacred or to...
make something special with the talents that I had for a bigger something maybe it's that I think more and more is that because in the beginning I was yeah I just gonna do it but now when I'm after a couple of years that I'm really laying into it I see
I also see and feel more what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. not just... I'm being whole. It's a force who comes from within.
House Of Peregrine (13:19)
Yeah. Yeah. And I think that that's that starting point is a really, really ⁓ important difference. And again, like you said, it's not these more manufactured things are just fine. It's totally fine. But what I have experienced as as someone who loves to to buy vintage or things a little more soul with to them and also someone who is creating ceremony and culture for others.
Andrea (13:20)
And yeah.
House Of Peregrine (13:48)
It really makes a difference and I also think that this is the difference sometimes when women start businesses as opposed to CEOs. And we're in a moment, you and I are recording actually during the Equinox, which I love this transition from life to death. But also we're in this transition where businesses are being created differently and for different reasons, which I really feel.
Andrea (13:56)
Mmm. Hiya.
Uh-huh.
House Of Peregrine (14:14)
And I really think it's impressive that we're now seeing businesses like yours that are created from a different place are more emerging and not for a reason to go backwards or to, but just to bring something else to offer to people for these moments in their life. And if you go back to it, creating a human life or a birth is a pretty big deal in human existence.
Andrea (14:38)
Yeah, yeah.
House Of Peregrine (14:38)
and to have it be
something that isn't. And again, like I'm not a religious person, but I've had three babies and it is sacred to bring a life to life. No matter what you believe, it's pretty magic. So, it's like everything you said, it's hard, it's scary, it's intense, but at the end it's magic. And so one of our tenants at House of Peregrine is magic is real. Like that's one of our.
Andrea (14:44)
Mm-hmm. Mm. Mm.
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
House Of Peregrine (15:07)
things.
And so that is between people, between everything. And so when you make a product with magic built in, or as a priority, it changes everything about how you do that business. And so why did you choose the horoscope and the magic bird? Can you tell me about that symbolism and where it comes from?
Andrea (15:14)
Mm-hmm.
actually the magic, the holy bird or the magic bird, was it just came to me. I can't, not ⁓ other way to explain it, but it just visits me. You can see also, get just ideas plopped in my head, but that was always the way.
This is not new, it was also when I worked for other companies. Ideas just came, and that's how my brain works. But now, still the same, but now I get ideas who are more spiritual based. Before I get more technical solutions.
House Of Peregrine (16:11)
Yeah.
Andrea (16:11)
And I was also very welcome because company was driven by solutions. it was more practical and more technical. And it was not, ⁓ it was not, nothing spiritual about it. Nothing, but that's okay. And now my ideas are much more deeper and much more spiritual. And they just came to me and it's just how you open to them and just how, just the way the...
choose your path is going. the of course, I think a lot of designs, but suddenly when you see a design and you say, okay, this is it, you instantly know it. It's a deep knowing. It's just a deep knowing. So, okay, this is it. I don't have to sketch and to find out anymore. This is gonna make. And yeah, the bird was the bird.
After it was finished, I thought, okay, what did I make? Because most of the time afterwards, I have this reflection. then I go on reflect on what I made. And then I said, okay, ⁓ it's a holy birth. It has to do also with, we have the, in the Netherlands, we have the idea or the story that children come with with the oeufar, you know, the stork, yeah.
House Of Peregrine (17:25)
stork.
Andrea (17:28)
And so thought, yeah, that's also funny that it looks a little bit like a stork, but I see it as a holy bird, represents the connection between heaven and earth. yeah, that's where the transition comes also from the little child. comes from above and he...
goes comes down in a new in a physical body and bird has its spread its wings around the name or the message you did parents or the loved ones gift to the child because you can add ⁓ your name or your on the birth that will be
embroidered after the child is born or before the child is born but normally the name and the date and the time you don't know before. So and yeah it's spreading around the wings are spreading around this text and for protection and for loving and for caring and for holding the child for the rest of his life.
House Of Peregrine (18:30)
That's amazing. When I had my children many years ago now, they're older
now, but I did naming ceremonies for each of them so that they could really accept their names and who I see them as, who I dream for them to be. And that's a combination, right? But the name is the thing the mother and the father give to their child with life. And so I think that that's helping that transition
Andrea (18:37)
⁓ beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
House Of Peregrine (18:59)
And these are ceremonies, these are the type of ceremonies that have been done by women since humanity began. And I think there's a deep, deep longing for this sort of depth. ⁓ I feel it in myself, I feel it in others, and I feel a very strong compulsion to bring them to other people. And so that's my work, is there's not enough There's not enough of this helping of these transitions of
Andrea (19:05)
Yes, that's correct.
Correct. Yeah.
House Of Peregrine (19:27)
And so I think this is a visual representation ⁓ of this. Again, the only word we have is spiritual or something. And so I love this also for mothers because you're always a mother for the first time, the first time you do it and you don't know how to do this. And so when I saw this, I thought, and I don't know if you have children, but even if you don't, you have one.
Andrea (19:27)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's correct. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
I've won, yeah.
House Of Peregrine (19:55)
It's a little bit of a, for me, ⁓ your blankets are a little bit of a gift for a mother to show them, right? So woven throughout the story of your creations is this So this is what you're doing, you're wrapping your child, you're naming them. These are things that...
Andrea (20:12)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm,
mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
House Of Peregrine (20:18)
they can
be mundane, but they're really not. And so making them sacred is really important. I think it reverberates very strongly throughout the way we treat women and children to have sacredness brought back into it. And so, yeah.
Andrea (20:34)
Yes, correct. And the divine and the holy
and the mother and the spirit. But no, no, it's not religion. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
House Of Peregrine (20:40)
Yeah, without religion, you don't have to do this with religion. Yeah, but babies are being born whether we believe in religion or not. So there has to be something else. So I really love,
again, you're making these beautiful blankets, but I see so much more in what you're connecting to, which I see coming through and I want to help. And also, so we, don't always help with babies, but I help with people in transition. So when they're moving to a new country, when they're, ⁓ even if that's
Andrea (20:54)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah.
House Of Peregrine (21:09)
with children, without children, I do think there's another moment there. And I think it matters when you move. even buying a blanket or doing a ceremony for a transition of moving to a new country, I think makes it more holy, makes it more mythic in a way. And stories are how our subconscious works. And so if you have this magical bird that brings your baby's spirit to its body, this speaks to our subconscious.
Andrea (21:19)
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
House Of Peregrine (21:36)
and making products like this for babies, moms, or whatever, I feel it speaks to the subconscious of how we handle these things. And so I just really love that you have taken your expertise and woven it into something that is speaking to the subconscious magic of life.
Andrea (21:52)
Yes,
yes, yes. Thank you for your beautiful words. Yes.
House Of Peregrine (21:55)
Yeah, you're welcome. And so that's why, I mean,
this is your first podcast interview, right? And so I'm happy to bring this to life because I believe so strongly in the magic of life and the mystery and the actual manifestation of how we deal with that is things like this. And it's very ancient. so...
Andrea (22:01)
Yes, yes.
Mm.
House Of Peregrine (22:19)
Did you study this or have, is everything intuitive? This is just the muse coming to you.
Andrea (22:26)
What do you mean the designs or just the way how I look to yeah now yeah I think ⁓ looking again looking back to my life I'm 55 now and I'm looking back and I always walked walked this path but yeah not consciously
House Of Peregrine (22:28)
Yeah, or just the impulse. Yeah.
yeah.
Andrea (22:46)
Now I'm more conscious about it and I always feel attracted to mystical, to heaven, things you can't describe or you can't... Yeah, always to... to the divine. But I didn't know that word at that time. I was always dreaming and always creating and always...
I not that good at school, feeling like dumb and couldn't write good and was not good in mathematics I was terrible, terrible. But yeah, I didn't fit in the system. That's why I thought I was stupid. But yeah, my talent was creativity and thank God, thank God I went to the art school. I managed that.
Because yeah, and that saved me and there I came home Like okay art is my vehicle now I understand Okay, now I'm home now. ⁓ now can I grow now I have now I know my purpose here Yeah, but before 21 I Or 19 I was really lost really really lost for what I'm doing here
House Of Peregrine (23:49)
Yeah.
Wow.
Andrea (24:09)
How do I fit in in this system? I'm not good enough, I'm stupid. ⁓ If people say that when you are small, like, yeah, no, she can't even read, she can't even write, can't even count. Yeah, and that was true. ⁓
House Of Peregrine (24:31)
Yeah, you were busy. You were busy in that creative little brain and body of yours.
That's what it was.
Andrea (24:37)
But
I don't, I was like, yeah, I didn't understand. I just didn't understand. But yeah, my brain just worked differently. And now I'm, yeah, now I find my spot in this world. And now I understand what I have to do here. And now it's going.
But even since maybe half a year, that I really understand, ⁓ that's why I also had to take a little bit distance to understand how it has to unfold. And yes, I had a lot of teachers and I still have coaches and I...
get really inspired by yes saying and songs and mandalas and and just the nature and people and one big explosion of magic. Yeah and but now I see it.
House Of Peregrine (25:35)
Yeah, being a creative person. Yeah, you're
describing being a creative person.
Andrea (25:41)
Yeah, and now it's my task to turn my talents and serve the great good. That's what I want. Yeah.
House Of Peregrine (25:48)
Yeah. Yeah. And it occurs to me that this is,
this is part of the heroine's journey. In our society, we talk a lot about the hero's journey, right? The hero's journey is to go out and save the world and kill dragons. And we have that in us too, as women. But what you're describing is the heroine's journey, which is down and down and down and going and falling and, you know, being outcast. It's slow.
Andrea (26:02)
Hmm.
ja, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah And it's slow and it's really
slow And now I trust that slowness. I just I just leaning back Just leaning back. I don't have to do anything and it will come and it comes it comes it pops up in front of my head and That yeah that now I can trust on
House Of Peregrine (26:20)
yes.
Yeah.
That's.
Yeah.
Andrea (26:37)
I will totally 100 % trust in my journey. Yeah, but that's new, that's new. ⁓
House Of Peregrine (26:40)
Wow, that's so beautiful. yeah, but it's on time. So usually women
don't, I mean, the genius of a woman takes their almost tell your fifties, the genius of everything and bringing something holy into the world is and that's the myth. And a little bit what you're bringing to the world is this notion that
Andrea (26:56)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
House Of Peregrine (27:08)
the magic is coming through in these intangible ways, through stories, through symbols, through things that sometimes, especially when they've been hidden and taken away, and we have no mentors, where a lot of women are getting this
Andrea (27:20)
Yeah, yeah.
House Of Peregrine (27:22)
from their subconscious, learning new stories. ⁓ And when we're told that we have to hit our genius in our 20s, it cuts off most of what women have brought to the world for centuries. And so that, ⁓ it doesn't give us time, space, and a platform for this heroine's journey, which is so We're all focused on the hero story.
Andrea (27:25)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hmm.
⁓
Yeah, that's also our society maybe, And what they need
House Of Peregrine (27:50)
Of course. Yes.
Yeah. But also I
feel like in each of us, and this, this may not be how you think about it, but for me, your story is very much like you, you cultivated your masculine, your hero story was going out, getting those skills, getting this. And now it's transitioned into the more spiritual, the more subtle and bring it in leaning back instead of. This is all very beautiful and unfolding in a, in a very, in a way that I wish.
Andrea (28:13)
Yeah, Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
House Of Peregrine (28:29)
I hope my daughters get to see.
Andrea (28:31)
⁓ That's beautiful to him, thank you. ⁓
House Of Peregrine (28:34)
Yeah, of course. And so what you're bringing to the world is beautiful. And
so I want people to know about that. But the other part of this, we talk a lot about sustainability. ⁓ And I would really love to talk through that with you. I love to redefine or deepen the word sustainability. And so when you're buying things during these transitions, whether it's having a baby or I say moving to a new country,
Andrea (28:42)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
House Of Peregrine (29:02)
when you're buying items, sustainable can mean something different, means, could mean meaningful. So you don't throw it away. so items like the one you've created, are bath towels or birth blankets, they have utility to them, but a deep, deep meaning. And so those two things combine to make it so it's not gonna be thrown away, but
Andrea (29:07)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
House Of Peregrine (29:30)
Also, the way you're creating it, and I want to talk a little bit about your connection to India, is this way that's also sustainable on those subtle layers that we don't talk about. So yes, the materials can be sustainable. Yes, all of these things, it can be recyclable. But there's another level of sustainability that has to do with these connections. And so I want to...
Andrea (29:47)
Yeah.
Yeah, correct.
Yeah.
House Of Peregrine (29:56)
speak to you about that a little bit. And I know this is, getting into some things that are very airy and hard to follow, but I think you understand what I'm asking. So it matters the place you start from with the product you're creating, the materials you use, we all understand that, but then take it further for me.
Andrea (30:07)
Yeah, totally.
Mm-hmm.
I know I totally follow you and I also totally agree with you and If you make something sacred it's already Sustainable and that's that was my that was my intention and doesn't matter. Yeah. Okay, that was my intention to make something sacred to make keepsake to make
to translate love into an item. That was my... That's what... That are my tools. What is given to me. My tools, my talents are my tools. And yeah, some people can cook very much, very good. Some people can build beautiful houses. But what I can do, what talent is given to me, it's creation and refine translate...
love into items.
I think. And yeah, my focus was not sustainable in that way My sustainable way of making things is different. It's like...
House Of Peregrine (31:08)
It's a very feminine skill.
Andrea (31:25)
Okay, I make something from out of my heart to your heart to connect, to reconnect, to lean back, to dive in, to embrace love, to embrace spirituality ⁓ and to translate that in an item. What can be a keepsake?
that you can give and that you keep for the rest of your life. And maybe the life afterwards, you give it to your own children somebody you love. And no, my products are not made of 100 % recycled cotton because first, it's not my priority. If I could, I would.
But for now I can't because then my items would be so incredibly more expensive. So that's a choice I made. That's a choice I made. And yeah, if you can't deal with it, okay, but I'm responsible for that. But of course they are made how they're made and it's correctly and with not child labor, I went to the factory and etc.
and I don't overproduce, I have a very very small amount of The factories where I work with, they can do that for me, so it's also a big research, because yeah, they don't want to work with people like me, because yeah, they want to have boxes and full okay and pushing and more and more more. So to find these factories, it cost me also a lot of time and investment and in...
investment in time.
House Of Peregrine (33:14)
Yeah, and currently, if you were to say, I make
these out of 100 % cotton or something that everyone agrees is sustainable, but you make thousands of them, that's somehow our definition of sustainable, which is important. Like I'm not saying it's not. It's just, if we deepen that, if we sink into it, is it really sustainable? Is it really human? Is it really doing what we want it to? And so how can we deepen that conversation? And that's what you've done. And I think that it's really...
Andrea (33:19)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.
House Of Peregrine (33:44)
an important conversation.
Andrea (33:46)
Yeah, I think that too, because also people are really narrow minded and not because they are narrow minded, but there is no other information that goes in their head. So it's really the conditioning, but people hear. ⁓ they have to, I think it's good to take also, and yeah, if they are aware, you can say they are not
House Of Peregrine (34:02)
Yeah.
Andrea (34:13)
aware of it. So yeah,
when they see ⁓ a different side of sustainability, how I'm working, maybe they can embrace that too. And maybe they shift their minds a little bit.
House Of Peregrine (34:27)
Yeah, hope this.
Yeah, I hope.
I hope the same. And I think that I always say moving to a new country is really unsustainable. You buy new everything, you ship things across the ocean. There's no doubting that it is better for the environment for you to not move. And so how do we deepen that? How do we reconsider or maybe even add
Andrea (34:35)
Yeah.
Hmm
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
House Of Peregrine (35:00)
elements to sustainability. I add in the way people. So if people move and they're not stressed out, that's more sustainable. If people move and their relationships are more intact or they know the language before they arrive, that's more sustainable. If it's putting less strain on the schools because the families of these people are less stressed out, for me, that's more sustainable as well.
Andrea (35:10)
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
House Of Peregrine (35:29)
as not buying furniture from IKEA or something. So there's many layers to sustainability. And I would love, I am with House of Peregrine trying to bring that into the conversation of sustainability. So this magic, this consideration, ⁓ yeah. And so I, yeah, I think so too. ⁓ And of course it was such a great place to start with not harming the planet as much as possible, right? That is so important.
Andrea (35:32)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Beautiful. I need it.
Of course, yeah.
House Of Peregrine (35:57)
But what
I love you said is if I made them 100 % cotton, they would be out of reach for most people and then their only alternative would be buying it.
Andrea (36:06)
Now they
are from 100 % cotton, not, ⁓ they are cotton, but not, they don't have this sustainable cotton label. again, if I want to work with this sustainable cotton, then the price will go up three times.
House Of Peregrine (36:09)
there.
Wow.
Andrea (36:29)
So that's my choice because I'm so small and I have to buy 1000 meter of sustainable cotton at least. I can't afford it and I don't want it because that's not, yeah, yeah. And it's not the way I have to want to work. Yeah. And maybe in the future, maybe not. Maybe I'm gonna produce here. I only do handcrafted.
House Of Peregrine (36:37)
Yep. Yep.
Yeah, and you want more people to have access. Because it's that or, yeah.
Andrea (36:56)
and then my items will be a lot more, but then I don't have to sell so much. And I also was thinking, now we're talking about money and prices, because that's also what keeps me spinning around lately. And it has also to do with this system where we are in.
House Of Peregrine (37:04)
Yeah.
Andrea (37:23)
And I understand I need money to live and to buy, to live in my house and to buy food and to take care of my child and with these prices of products and especially in the fashion, the product price when you have it in your house.
from India or China where I produced and we have to multiply it by three or four or five times the price and it's just, for me it's like so insane and not when I'm, and maybe I give away now too much but I want to be transparent about this whole system and because there's also something where I'm struggling with.
So, ⁓ how do I ⁓ relate to it, to this system? And how can I, what is good for me and what feels okay for me?
House Of Peregrine (38:28)
It strikes me that
you're in a system that you don't fit again, just like in school.
Andrea (38:36)
Yes, exactly. So now I'm moving along the system, but I ask, I put question marks and it makes me think, ⁓ how can I do this differently? Maybe not tomorrow, but maybe in a year or maybe tomorrow.
the future is nearby, more nearby than you think always. But yeah, I think it's nice discussion point. So, okay, how, maybe I have to say people, okay, this is my item. What do you think is worth it for you?
House Of Peregrine (39:14)
Welcome to being an innovator,
Andrea (39:15)
Yeah. What is
worth it for you? How much money do you want to give me that it's okay for you? And maybe I have to say, maybe I have to say, okay, this cost me this. ⁓ This cost me this, so if you give me less, I take a lose, I lose money, but if you give me a little bit more, okay, I can buy a bread.
House Of Peregrine (39:20)
Yeah. Wow.
Yep.
Andrea (39:43)
Yeah, I just thinking about that maybe I'm going to develop one product that I put on the market like that.
House Of Peregrine (39:51)
It's amazing. It strikes me that you are a true innovator and disruptor and someone who, people who don't fit in, don't fit in for a reason. And I really like that. And I identify with it as well, but it's really fun to meet kindred spirits, especially women who are asking these questions. And I don't know. It slowly, slowly changes things and balances them out, I think. So I love that you're.
Andrea (39:53)
Yeah.
The dropper, yeah, that's correct.
Yeah.
Yeah.
House Of Peregrine (40:20)
that you're asking these questions and making these products bringing them to life's big transitions and homes. so I want to encourage people to go and see your work. Where can they find you?
Andrea (40:32)
Hmm.
They can find me on my website. I have a website where I I sell my products and also with Is a Kama by Andrea Yes Kama by Andrea dot com ⁓ Yeah, you also can yeah, you can also buy it at Sanne Hop
House Of Peregrine (40:41)
and say what that website
dot com. Perfect.
And we'll link it below. We'll link it below as well, but I just want people to hear it. And then is there anywhere they can follow
yes.
Andrea (41:02)
She has
a beautiful, beautiful wheel saw concept store with many, many more sacred products, all handcrafted or very small. How say that? so many.
House Of Peregrine (41:16)
Yeah, her store
is called, and it's right around the corner from me in the center of Amsterdam. If anyone's in Amsterdam, go visit, but it's Atier Hop. And it's funny because our company is called Hop as well. So we do events there sometimes and yeah, so we're very aligned in the way we like to do things in Sanna. Big shout out to Sanna, who we both know and love. I love her shop and I think people come from around the world to.
Andrea (41:25)
Until you have.
Yes. ⁓ how funny. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
House Of Peregrine (41:43)
to experience what she brings into the world as well.
And one of those innovators that I deeply, deeply resonate with. And so I'm glad I saw your blanket in there a few weeks ago and I thought, this is so beautiful. I love the way the world is big and large at the same time. So these seemingly little things you're doing have a lot of impact, I would say. Yeah.
Andrea (41:51)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you.
Yeah, yeah, so the
thank you.
Yeah. Yeah, I just do what I come to do here.
House Of Peregrine (42:08)
Well, We're gonna end
on that. I just came here, this is mine to do. And that's a mantra that anybody can use. This is mine to do, this is not mine to do, to find their calling in life. so thank you for sharing your wisdom with us today, Andre. I'm so happy to have you on. I'm so happy. I think we're gonna be making an offer for our members, for your beautiful products. And then.
Andrea (42:17)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
House Of Peregrine (42:35)
If anyone's interested in seeing them, you can hop over to our website. We'll link it in the box below. Thanks again for coming on. It's such a pleasure to get an insight into your process.
Andrea (42:47)
Thank you. Thank you so much for the invitation.
House Of Peregrine (42:49)
course. And thank you everyone for listening. You can follow us at HouseofPeregrine.com. If you would be so kind as to leave a comment or a rating, it would help us out a ton. I hope you enjoyed our interview and we'll see you next time.